By AIF Staff
Aspen, CO – This morning, live from the Aspen Economic Strategy Group meeting, Paul Ryan was interviewed on CNBC’s Squawk Box about the Trump Administration’s economic policies and the impact they are having on markets at home and abroad. In conversation with CNBC’s Andrew Ross Sorkin, Ryan touched on the ongoing tariff fights, the Federal Reserve’s efforts to tame inflation, the future of Social Security, and more.
Watch the full interview here or read excerpts of Ryan’s responses below.
On the state of the U.S. economy:
“I think we’re driving the car with two feet. One foot on the gas. One foot on the brake.
On the gas, we have good tax policy that is pro-growth. We have regulatory relief that is coming, and we have this AI boom that will be great for productivity. And on the brake, we have tariff uncertainty and a debt crisis on the horizon which is going to mess with interest rates. I think all of that combustible mixture is giving people cause for concern.
The latest jobs numbers weren’t so good, so that’s what we’re talking about here. The whole point of this conference is what do you do to revive American prosperity and continue it, so there’s definitely a tariff discussion happening right now.”
On the road ahead for the Administration’s tariff policy:
“I think [the tariffs] are the biggest deal out there right now. It’s the uncertainty….I think the market thinks that everything will be calm soon and I just don’t see that. They think the tariffs will settle into an easy and predictable place and I don’t think that’s going to happen.
Why do I think that? Because it’s more than likely that Supreme Court will knock out IEPA, the law that is being used to justify tariffs but that doesn’t have the word “tariff” in it, and then the President is going to have to go to other laws to justify tariffs – Section 232, 201, 301 – and those are harder laws to operate with, so they’re dual tracking the tariffs now. But so, you have these trade agreements – I spent a lot of time on these trade agreements, it was one of my jobs in Congress on the Ways and Means Committee – and they could be a little upended if he loses in court and then he will have to revive the tariffs.
They justify tariffs based on trade deficits. I don’t think that’s the right way to go, but then we threw a 50% tariff on Brazil, and we have a trade surplus with Brazil, so there’s no rationale for this other than the President wanting to raise tariffs based on his whims and his opinions.
So, I think there are choppy waters ahead because I think the Administration is going to have some legal challenges and I think it’s going to be a while before it settles in….
I think tariffs are the wrong way to go. It makes you unproductive. It lowers living standards and is bad for our industries, long-term. It is good short-term politics, but bad long-term economics…. I do think we’re going to have tariffs for a while and I think the government is going to see this revenue, and with the deficits we have, it’s going to be hard [for a future President to turn them off.”
On the Federal Reserve and possible successors to Chairman Powell:
“I think the Kevin’s are great…. I think the people that President Trump is considering are qualified people and they all would be good Federal Reserve Chairs….
[The Federal Reserve] should be lowering interest rates. We are going into an interest-rate cutting environment…. I think the tariff uncertainty is still a thing, and I think it’s wise to wait for that, but with the latest labor market activity, I think September is the right time [to lower rates]…
My point is: We have an independent Federal Reserve. We have a Humphrey-Hawkins law that I have spent a lot of time on that makes an independent Fed. The President is going to do what he is going to do, and we’re still going to have an independent Fed. I am not worried about that changing, because that law is not going to change. It takes 60 votes in the Senate and that’s not going to happen.
All these people that they’re looking at for Federal Reserve Chair are qualified people. Plus, if we were going into an interest-rate increasing environment and we were in this posture, I would be worried. But we’re going into an interest-rate cutting environment anyway, so I’m not worried about the Fed’s independence ultimately being threatened.”
On the changes at BLS:
“It’s more than an eye-rolling exercise. I googled Bill Beach. Bill Beach has, for Republicans, impeccable, conservative economic credentials. He was Trump’s 1st BLS Administrator, and he said this is absolutely groundless, so I would look at what Bill Beach said. I would look at what Trump’s first BLS Administrator said and echo his sentiments.
I think the story goes away if they replace her with a legitimate person. If they put a political hack in there, then this will be really troubling, but if they put someone in there who is qualified, it probably goes away. It was a norm breaking episode, and we have a lot of those these days.”
On possible debanking of conservatives:
“If it’s true, it is absolutely outrageous. They ought to be able to fix this through regulations so this doesn’t happen. If you are debanking someone based on their political beliefs, that is totally outrageous. I don’t know to what extent that it is happening, but if it is, that’s outrageous…. This ought to be settled pretty easily through clear regulations.”
On Secretary Bessent’s comments on Social Security:
“I spent a lot of time on this issue. You still need Social Security… Social Security is insolvent in 2032. There is a big problem of a 26% across-the-board benefit cut when that occurs. We need to get ahead of that, and the best way to do that is to grow. My kids are going to get a -1% rate of return on their Social Security taxes, so we ought to be able to reform the program so they get a better rate of return. These bonds won’t be enough to replace that but we should reform the program so it gets better returns for future retirees and do so in a package that actually saves Social Security from insolvency.”
