By: AIF Staff
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Washington, DC – Earlier this summer, Paul Ryan and Kevin Brady joined the Tax Foundation’s podcast, The Deduction, for a wide-ranging interview reflecting on their efforts to reform America’s tax code. As former Chairmen of the House Ways & Means Committee, Ryan and Brady were the primary authors of the tax reforms rolled out by House Republicans in 2016 as part of the “Better Way” agenda, which ultimately became law via the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA).
In an interview with the Tax Foundation’s Kyle Hulehan and Erica York, they look back at the long road to reform and discuss how this methodical effort culminated in a more competitive, growth-oriented American economy.
The full interview is accessible here and excerpts of Ryan and Brady’s responses, edited lightly for clarity, follow.
The Breaking Point: America’s Uncompetitive 2016 Tax Code
“Kevin and I had been long-time seatmates at Ways and Means, and long-time members of the Ways and Means Committee. Under the Bill Thomas days, the Dave Camp days, and the Jim McCrery days… we were working on [tax reform] all along. It was basically [because] we were on a worldwide tax system, which was proving extraordinarily uncompetitive for us. We had a 35% tax rate, so we had the highest rate in the industrialized world in a really screwed-up international tax system, which was creating all these inversions.”
Preventing the Atrophy of American Cities via Tax Reform
“I had two big hedge fund guys, who are household names today, come to see me when I was Speaker. They told me, ‘Just so you know, we think what you’re trying to do [with tax reform] is great, but if you don’t pull it off, we’re going to go buy all these pharmaceutical companies in New Jersey and Chicago and bring them to Ireland.’
Look at St. Louis. Look at these company towns that lose their headquarters. First, the C-suite leaves, then the civil society atrophies, and then the jobs go because there is no allegiance to the town. That was going to happen across America if we didn’t stop it.”
Earning the ‘Moral Authority’ to Pass Bold Policy
“One of my conditions with the members of our conference on becoming Speaker of the House was that we would write an agenda in that session and run on it in the next election. So, in 2015, we put together the Better Way. My thesis always has been in politics to be conviction politicians, run on choice-based elections, and run on the policies that you want to put in place. [You have to] sell them. Then, if you win the election, you have earned the moral authority and the right to put them in place.”
Why Lowering Corporate Tax Rates Benefits the Workforce
“The evidence was really clear to us that the corporate tax rate affects workers the most. We knew lowering the rate was going to help workers get higher wage growth. We knew that by being territorial and with full-expensing at a low rate, companies would make the decision to domicile in America, keep it in America, and never invert ever again. We knew, with this new tax system, you were going to put your manufacturing and as much of your economic activity in America as possible rather than putting it overseas, which was the prior incentive structure under the old tax code.”
Chairman Brady on Wages Increasing and Inequality Shrinking following the TCJA
“First, real wages, what people were making ahead of inflation, grew more in that [2019] year than in all eight years previous combined. It turned out those first three years after the TCJA saw a 9% growth in real wages, which was the highest three-year period we’ve had. People were getting ahead. Obviously, poverty just dove down in all categories, especially those in the bottom two quintiles. The other thing is, as our friend Larry Lindsay pointed out, income inequality began to shrink in America for the first time in half a century.”
Replacing the Hodgepodge of Tariffs with a Simplified Tax Code
“I just think this tariff uncertainty is not good. Biden didn’t take these tariffs off when he became president, and Trump just doubled down on more, so I don’t think that’s a good path for us to take. A destination-based cash flow tax and a border adjustment tax would complete that. It would provide certainty with a full exchange rate adjustment versus this hodgepodge of uncertain tariff regimes, so I think that would be good for us. Today, I think it is different.”
Saving Entitlements for the Next Generation:
“It’s not too late to rewrite these entitlement programs and do it in a way that guarantees the Baby Boomers get their benefits as they planned their lives around. We can keep that promise and borrow for them, so long as you have a new system for Gen X on down. On an accrual basis, that wipes out tens of trillions of unfunded liabilities, stabilizes the bond markets, and does it without ripping the social contract up. Not only [do you save these programs] without ripping the social contract up, but [you’re] making it solvent and renewing it for the next generation.”
Chairman Brady on Building Trust with Industry Leaders
“Paul and I, during tax reform, met with a number of industries and just said, ‘Look, we can’t lower this corporate rate and make these changes without you helping.’ We challenged these industries to give back specific provisions. What was terrific was that while not all responded, a number of them absolutely got it. The point of all that was to say that if you have a bolder vision and you are willing to pursue it, others are willing to come to the table and give up things.”
Outmaneuvering Special Interests with a Plan B on Tax Reform
“Frankly, from all those years we had on the Ways and Means Committee going after tax expenditures, we knew if you go into Gucci Gulch too soon, you’re going to get carved up. There is a reason why tax reform hadn’t been done since 1986: It was politics, and it was this tax expenditure lobby. We knew that if we led with our chin on, say, SALT or the mortgage interest deduction, we would get destroyed politically and not be able to pass anything. So, we put the gold-standard tax reform bill out there [in the form of a border adjustment tax]… but we always had, and Kevin Brady was always working on, what Plan B would look like.”
Chairman Brady’s Unfinished Business on Tax Reform
“The day that [the TCJA] was signed, I still had a wish list. We wanted to do so much more on the individual side with the postcard approach and simplification—just three simple, Reagan-style rates. A low top rate at 28% would be incredibly pro-growth. We wanted to tackle capital gains in another simple way, which was a 50% exemption. We had proposed Universal Savings Accounts which is another simplification that gave more power to draw more savings, especially from younger people.”

